Debunking the "Big State" Myth

In the aftermath of the March 4th primaries a key talking point of the Clinton campaign is to forget about the delegate count because Hillary's primary victories in "big states," demonstrates that she can win states that the Democrats must win in November.

This argument makes me nuts. Viewed in isolation, how does a primary victory against another Democrat say anything about how either primary candidate would run in that state in the general election? Bill Clinton lost the primaries/caucuses in Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Iowa, Maryland, Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Vermont, but won them all in November, 1992.

As John Aravosis writes at AmericaBlog.com
... [W]hat success really depends on is how many Dem voters are in the state as compared to GOP voters, and which way independents will swing. If we outnumber them, we'll likely win. If they outnumber us, they'll likely win. (It doesn't really matter if my guy or your guy wins the Dem primary but Dems are only 1% of the voters in the state and Republicans are 99% - then both of our guys are gonna lose in the fall.) The second factor is whether Democratic voters will abandon our candidate should their first choice no longer be on the ballot. Only Hillary and Obama can tell us whether they plan on trying to unify the party or split it come the fall.

More specifically political strategist Robert Creamer writing on HuffingtonPost.com critiques the Clinton campaign "big state" argument as follows:

  • Most of the "Big States" Clinton has won are not battleground states in the fall. New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts and California are solid blue states where Obama would do as well or better than Clinton in a general election against McCain.
  • Of the states she's won so far, the big exception to this rule is Ohio. Ohio is in fact a critical battleground state where Hillary has demonstrated that she has a leg up among lower income whites and older voters. But the polling also shows that in a general election, Barack offsets this advantage in Ohio among young voters and college-educated independents. In a McCain-Clinton match up the later group could gravitate heavily to McCain in Ohio.
  • Obama puts in play a panoply of states where Clinton would have a much tougher time: Virginia, Missouri, Mississippi, Colorado, Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan, and New Hampshire.
  • Even in states where Clinton could make a case for some advantages relative to Obama, these "advantages" are far from certain. Clinton might claim an advantage among Latinos in Florida, for example, but Obama would likely turn out many more African-Americans. Obama is more likely to inspire new voters to vote, and his record on immigration offers a clearer contrast to Mccain.
  • Clinton would energize the cultural conservative base of the Republican party who are are lukewarm in their support of McCain

Read the full analysis here.

See also the Who the Hell Knows Today Who Will Be Electable in November? from RockRidge Nation.

State Primary Success Unrelated to General Election

Robert Creamer has a follow-up piece documenting the lack of correlation between primary success and the general election.

Some excerpts:

In 1988 Dukakis came in third in the Iowa caucuses. Yet Iowa was one of only nine states that he ultimately won in the general election. That year Dukakis won the Democratic primaries in Florida and Texas where no one could imagine he would have been the stronger general election candidate in the Democratic field. He soundly lost them both in November.

In 2004, John Kerry clinched the nomination with big wins over John Edwards in Tennessee and Virginia. He won Tennessee by 15 points, and beat Edwards in Virginia 51% to 25%. Does anyone really believe that Kerry was a stronger candidate than Edwards -- a southerner -- against George Bush in Virginia or Tennessee? Kerry lost Virginia 54% to 45% in the general. He was trounced in Tennessee, 57% to 43%.

Obama Campaign Response

Time's Mark Halperin posted the Obama campaign's response to the "big state" myth.

Remedial "Big State" Math

The following is from a comment in the Washington Post by way of a reader:

Given the emphasis put on the importance of winning big states, I find this analysis very interesting - please share it with those who cannot do arithmetic.

Consider the top 13 "big" states that have voted so far:

State Obama Clinton
California 2,126,000 2,553,000
Texas 1,358,000 1,459,000
New York 698,000 1,003,000
Illinois 1,302,000 662,000
Ohio 982,000 1,212,000
Georgia 704,000 330,000
New Jersey 492,000 603,000
Virginia 627,000 350,000
Washington 354,000 316,000
Massachusetts 512,000 705,000
Minnesota 142,000 69,000
Missouri 405,000 395,000
Wisconsin 646,000 453,000
Total of Big 13 10,348,000 10,108,000
Popular Vote 13.4 million 12.7 million

Delegates:

State Obama Clinton
California 167 203
Texas 99 94
New York 93 139
Illinois 104 49
Ohio 66 75
Georgia 60 27
New Jersey 48 59
Virginia 54 29
Washington 53 25
Massachusetts 38 55
Minnesota 48 24
Missouri 36 36
Wisconsin 34 29
Total 900 844

In the overall contest to March 10th, majority of Obama’s delegate lead comes from beating Hillary in the aggregate of the 13 largest contests 8-5.

Of the 2.4 million votes cast in Florida and Michigan, Mrs. Clinton received 1.2 million in total. Mr. Obama received 576,000 votes in Florida and was not on the ballot in Michigan.

Consider this: Senator Obama has narrowed Senator Clinton’s lead in every part of the country he has contested. So, while he may very well lose Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan, the math is not on Clinton’s side by any measure since it just makes it 8-8 in the biggest 16 contests and believe me he *will" be competitive. Obama has a 50-state strategy of taking every vote seriously and his current delegate lead comes from beating Hillary in the aggregate of the 13 largest contests 8-5.

I assume most journalists can do arithmetic yet Clinton’s talking points are becoming the gospel truth against figures that don’t lie.

Obama Wins More Delegates in Iowa and California

Edwards delegates in Iowa break for Obama, leaving him with 25 there to Clinton's 14. And in California, final counts show Obama picking up 5 more delegates to Clinton's 2. Obama campaign manager David Plouffe noted that Obama's net increase in Iowa equaled Clinton's net from the Ohio primary.

The Washington Post's "The Trail" has more.